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- From: raz89@dial.pipex.com (Mik Clarke)
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- Subject: Re: Advice to Java proponents (was Re: Will Java kill C++?)
- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 05:52:13 GMT
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- denatale@nando.net (Rick DeNatale) wrote:
-
- >In article <31684F33.2528@ibm.net>, Ernie Wright <javaguy@ibm.net> wrote:
-
- >It doesn't bode well for the ultimate fate of a language when important
- >things that people want to do with the language aren't provided in
- >standard ways in the language. This is one of the reasons that we don't
- >have Pascal to kick around much anymore, one of the reasons that C took
- >over Pascal's predominant place as a personal computer programming
- >language is that Pascal left any kind of reasonable I/O as an exercise to
- >the reader, and there was no common way of doing it, while C's (actually
- >Unix's) stdio package was easily supported on most of the common operating
- >systems.
-
- Yeah. Now, how many add-ons do you need for C++ and small talk to make
- it web conversent ?
-
- >And just what is Java anyway? As I understand it, much of the Java
- >excitement is really about using it to build thin clients by extending Web
- >Browsers (as if we will really get thin clients based on things like
- >Netscape, have you seen what kind of resources it requires?). This really
- >means JavaScript, which as I understand it is Java-like, but isn't really
- >compatible with Java. Yes, I know that this could probably be rectified,
- >but it's hard to get the horses back in the barn.
-
- Java is revolutionary because it's native 'operating system' is the
- net. It's native shell a web browser. It can leverage all that
- functionality to do some really wonderful things. And it's small. Very
- small. I've got an entire mud in just 300K. Java is designed for
- networks. It's designed for client/server over networks. It can do it
- all from the standard class libraries.
-
- >>How do you think JAVA will fare when it has 16 years under its belt like
- >>Smalltalk, really.......look how fast this is happening, aren't at least
- >>interested in it since you are in this forum?
-
- >But Smalltalk has really had more than 24 years under it's belt, and has
- >only really been widely available for less than half of that time. It had
- >a chance to mature and become coherent and mature in a nurturing
- >environment before it had to face the cold cruel world.
-
- Java will be dead after 16 years (at least it had better be). Most
- languages are best exploited while they are young and able to adapt to
- best exploit their environment. When a language has been around to
- long it starts getting all sorts of nifty new functions grafted onto
- it until you end up with more graft than language and its original
- elegant structure has disapeared.
-
- Mik
-
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